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WL TOys 144001 / 124018 / 124019 Upgrade Wheels: best for Bashing?

6/8/2020

75 Comments

 
I've now completed a number of articles that have improved the handling, power and efficiency of the WL Toys 144001 and 124018 and 124019 which can be found here: All my WL Toys 144001 /124018 / 124019 upgrade articles. ​The next item I am addressing is the tyres. The stock wheels and tyres (like the rest of the car) are modelled closely on the LR Racing EMB-1h micro pins which are designed for carpet and hard packed dirt racing. Outside of these grip isn't great, and when you take into account the the rubber is firmer on the 144001 tyres then you are left with a tyre that is not really suited well for bashing off-road. In this article I'll explore some better bashing alternatives that shouldn't compromise the rest of the car
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Stock wheels and tyres
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Stock tyres have an outside diameter of 72mm which is the same front and rear (it needs to be on a 4wd). Widths are staggered meaning they are slightly wider at the rear - 30mm compared to the front - 26mm. Again typical for a buggy because on acceleration weight transfers to the rear and the extra width provides more grip. Drive on the wheels is provided by a 12mm hex drive which is something of an industry standard on cars around this size

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Stock diameter is 72mm
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Stock width rear is 30mm
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Stock with front is 26mm
The problem is that a combination of the design and compound of the tyre mean that they don't grip well on the majority of surfaces we run (off road bashing and tarmac). Since the 12mm hex drive is common there are a lot of wheels that physically fit but not a lot that work well because of the uncommon diameter. On to the theory:
Why is diameter important? (Skip if you don't want boring theory)
Each turn of the wheel equates to a set number of turns of the motor which is defined by the gear ratio. This is fixed on the 144001 based on the stock 27t pinion gear. Each turn of a 72mm (stock) diameter wheel will move the car 3.141 x 72mm =  226mm forward. If you went to say a 100mm diameter it would move the car 314mm forward. This is the equivalent of using a 37t pinion gear which would very quickly cook your ESC and motor especially if you were planning to run in rougher terrain as larger wheels might suggest.

So, unless we can change the gear ratio (NOT easy) we need to stick with the same or similar tyre diameter. What are the options?
SG1602 Wheels and tyres
PictureThese wheels and tyres are about $8 per pair
This wheel and tyre set from the excellent SG1602 I reviewed here are an ideal physical size. They have a slightly larger 76mm diameter (equivalent of 1 extra pinion gear tooth)  but are much wider at 40mm for both front and rear. Tyres are glued from the factory. As noted in my review the tyre compound is hard and so they do not contain foam inserts which helps keep rolling mass down. The harder compound means grip is not great but the bigger width somewhat makes up for it. The advantage of the harder compound means you'll get a lot of life out of them, even on tarmac. The last thing you'll notice that I haven't talked about is that these have a fairly low offset meaning they stick out a long way (wider track) as you'll see below.

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From an appearance standpoint I like the look of the tyres but not a fan of the orange ring on the rim. Whatever though, this is a basher! I'm pleased to say that after months of bashing these wheels and tyres on my son's SG1602 there is no damage other than a small section where the tyre has come unglued. Easy fix with the old 99c 6 pack of super glue.

Update, I can't seem to find the same wheels as I used, check out the HBX 16889 wheels which are practically identical but have a better, more aggressive tread pattern.
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Agressive offset allows the chunkier metal front knuckles to fit just fine. These tyres are nice and wide
Performance
Unfortunately even on my car with the stock brushless setup grip is not great - the tyre compound is just too hard, at least on the uneven gravel surface I tried it on. They do run better on short grass than stock though because they extra width gives you the ability to ride on top of rather than through the grass. I've just gotten back from trying them an smooth tarmac and they seem to work well on this surface too (unless it is wet and then they're awful!)
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No shortage of wheelspin on this surface even with a stock motor
A little hard to keep in a straight line on full power take-off
Remo 6973 Wheels and tyres (alternative link here)
PictureThese wheels and tyres are also around $9 per pair
The Remo 6973 wheels and tyres are also a good size compared to stock as you can see in the images below. Diameter is identical to the SG1602 tyres although they are not quite as wide at 35mm (although still much wider than the stock wheels). Unlike the Sg 1602 tyres these ones are much softer and so have foam inserts as well to help them keep their shape. Tyres are well glued to the rim. Speaking of the rim it looks like a 2 piece unit with screws on the inside of the rim that look like they will allow you to separate the halves. 

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Offset isn't quiet as aggressive as the SG 1602 wheels as you can see below but the track is still wider that the stock wheels. On interesting thing to note is that these will not fit with the metal front knuckles (see my metal upgrade article) however they do fit just fine with the stock knuckles. I really like the look of these wheels and tyres, I think it looks agressive and not quite so balloon-ish as the SG 1602 wheels and tyres.
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Track is a little narrower than the SG 1602 wheels but still wider than stock
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These wheels are a good fit for this buggy - not too big and not too small IMO
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Comparison to stock wheels
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Agressive
Performance
Good news, the Remo 6973 wheels and tyre combo is the setup I've been searching for, even on my much more powerful brushless setup (2838 brushless upgrade as per this article). The aggressive tread pattern, the softer compound, bigger width and the foam inserts mean these grip really well on a lot of surfaces. I find myself now doing wheelies which I had never been able to do with the 144001 before. Surfaces I've found better grip on:
  • Short grass
  • Loose gravel
  • Moist clay and dirt
  • Asphalt (better in the wet as well)
Frankly I'm really impressed with these wheels and they will be staying on the brushless setup which has been difficult to keep in a straight line when off-road.
Same test surface, much better grip on take-off even with the more powerful brushless setup
Tootling around with the new Remo wheels and tyres
A note on durability
These have proven to be very durable rims 6 months after installing (I still use the original ones). Sure tyres have worn a bot but they still give great grip and rims are still running true.  So yeah personal experience suggests they look fine so far. Just looking back through my notes I think it may have been the cheaper $6 Remo 6971 rims people have been having issues with rims collapsing on, not the 6973 rims as reviewed here
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I don't feel like I'm being gentle on this car - wheels seem to be holding up well so far
Recommendations
At this point in time I wholeheartedly recommend the Remo 6973 rims and tyres as reviewed here for off roading.  They are inexpensive, they look great, they grip great and they don't upset the stock gearing of the car. Traction is much better on every surface I've tried and so far durability of the rims seems good. This is most clearly demonstrated by the the fact that I'm now pulling wheelies on many surfaces whereas I never could before. This may put extra stress on your diff which could be a problem but if you look after it properly then you should probably be ok. Alternatively the SG1602 / 16889 wheels and tyres are better than stock in some instances but the hard compound means it would be a minimal upgrade - stick with the Remo 6973 ​
Thanks for checking out my article and please let me know on my facebook page or in the 144001 group if it worked out for you. I've created a reference page below for all of the 144001 articles I've published here:
144001 UPGRADES - EVERY ONE OF MY GUIDES
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75 Comments
youl
9/8/2020 11:16:24 am

Great review. What do you think of these motors and escs? Was thinking of trying the 3650 5200kv and the 120a esc? Bigger is better right lol?

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32380308419.html

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Quadify RC
9/8/2020 02:46:26 pm

Hi Youl

I think the bigger motors and ESCs are good for on road speed runs but offroad there will be too much heat. Next project is a high speed build but waiting on a servo. These components are hard to fit under a shell

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Petar
14/8/2020 07:50:10 am

Great posts for new owners of bellowed 144001 :)

I am thinking of doing metal upgrade of hubs and knuckles, but would like to use bigger tires for offroad.. . Is doing tire upgrade instead of metal parts better upgrade for bashing? I guess plastic parts are cheap enough (I have found 6 part packs for 3usd) and I am also thinking that metal ones could give strain and break plastic arms for example, and doing metal arms is even more dangerous :)

Waiting for road only speedster posts :) I am thinking of creating one bashing and one speedster myself :)

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Quadify RC
14/8/2020 09:32:01 pm

Hey Petar

Thanks for the vote of confidence! I agree with you on the plastic vs metal parts to be honest - save your money. I did do a post on the metal parts I like most but on my personal car I don't use them.

I have all the parts here for my speed build except the servo - have ordered another one today as the first from hobbyking hasn't even left singapore yet.

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Andrew
17/8/2020 10:00:50 pm

Thanks for the review, I have read your other upgrade posts and have done a brushless upgrade to my 14001 using:
Racerstar 3650 motor and ESC
https://banggood.app.link/zIwW84Nn18
It works a treat, one thing I have noticed since changing out the knuckles to metal is there is a lot of movement between the knuckles and the wishbone that needs to be shimmed out. Did you experience the same with the metal components being a poor fit?

Really looking forward to the next installment.

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Quadify RC
17/8/2020 10:59:05 pm

Hey Andrew

Thanks, appreciate the feedback. Glad the motor and ESC is working out well for you. Truth be told I haven't broken a single plastic part yet which leads me to think the only real benefit from the metal part is the looks. As well as needing to loctite things the play is not terrible but not as good as the plastic parts. Once they wear I can imagine this will get worse.

Currently working on a clean speed run build, waiting for the servo to arrive

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David
26/8/2020 04:59:44 pm

Great write up! I was excited to try the Remos but unfortunately, I am running the metal hubs. Have you been able to find any wheels that are similar to the Remos or better and fit w/ the metal hubs?

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Quadify RC
26/8/2020 05:18:20 pm

Cheers David!

You can use the other ones I linked but in honesty the Remos are worth going to plastic hubs for

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David
28/8/2020 02:35:59 am

Thanks for your reply Quadify -- side question, one of my front dogbones keep popping out. I've changed my front diff recently and noticed that the dogbone on one side sits farther out in the diff cup grooves than the other side. Any suggestions on how to correct/address this? My shock are mounted in the position and the dogbone does not look bent...I am stumped...help please!

jerome
26/11/2020 04:35:12 am

Bonjour ,
les Remo sont vendu par deux stp ? sur le site ce n est pas spécifié !!!
je pense que oui au vu des photos !!
ote moi de ce doute car je viens de faire une commande !!!
merci

Quadify RC
28/8/2020 10:18:20 am

Sorry the commenting system doesn't allow more than 3 deep so need to reply to your original comment and hope you get notified. The front uses CVDs so they have much less chance of popping out meaning something weird is going on...

Something must be up with the diff since that is the only change. You may need to remove and compare to the old one to see what is going on.

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David
28/8/2020 10:36:43 am

Thanks Quadify - I was able to fix the issue, at least for now! :)

PS - I emailed you regarding the no-cut brushless upgrade option #1. Decided to go with the 2838 instead of the 3650 that is being delivered tomorrow. Hopefully there is no cutting/modifying needed with the hobbyking pinion and adapter because that is slightly out of my wheelhouse.

Farran
14/9/2020 01:42:43 pm

I'm pretty new to RC cars and I run my 144001 on both tarmac and grass, although we seem to be doing tarmac only recently. Will the Remo tyres handle better on tarmac than stock and will they last long on tarmac as they seem quite soft? I've waited ages for them to arrive and don't want to rip them up on tarmac unnecessarily.

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QuadifyRC
14/9/2020 02:12:06 pm

Hi Farran, welcome to the hobby. The Remo tyres are definitely better on tarmac, especially in the wet. I run mine on all surfaces. They are soft but tread patterns are a lot deeper so should last pretty well. Everything will wear out after time though of course

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Farran
14/9/2020 02:34:06 pm

Thanks for the reply. Your site is excellent for 144001 info. You'll probably hear from me again!

Trihet
18/9/2020 09:18:05 pm

Hey

Have bought these tyres discussed above and they are great, much better than stock. Do you know of some good tyres for the 144001 for drifting on tarmac? This would be my next buy, then I have a very versatile car, all for a good value.

Thanks

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QuadifyRC
19/9/2020 10:28:00 pm

Glad to hear you are liking them too :) Sorry I'm not really sure on drift wheels but can say if you get them from a typical 1/10 scale drifter that the size is perfect.

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Charlie
27/9/2020 11:54:10 am

Have you tried out the Remo 6973 on your SG 1602? Would you recommend them as an upgrade for that truck? I've been looking for some tires with better grip for my SG 1601. Thanks!

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QuadifyRC
29/9/2020 09:28:34 pm

As as I'd like to answer, all my radio controlled car stiff has been stolen. I will be getting more but it will be a long time till I receive. I can say the P6973 wheels sit in closer to the hubs so may foul but I cannot confirm. If they do fit they definitely offer better grip.

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Farran
29/9/2020 10:17:34 pm

Oh man! I'm sorry to hear that. All that effort and money you've put into them just to have some git take them all. Dirty rotten scoundrels :(

Charlie
30/9/2020 08:24:43 am

Oh no - so sorry to hear about your RC stuff being stolen! Thanks for the info and all the helpful reviews and tips here on your site - it’s a great resource.

David Wong
30/9/2020 08:36:10 am

I have been using the Remo's for the past week or so and LOVE them for off-road/bashing/jumps.

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QuadifyRC
30/9/2020 10:15:26 am

Awesome thanks for the feedback David. Spread the good word!

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Thiago Vasconcelos
2/10/2020 02:41:01 am

Hi! I really would like to put some larger wheels in mine.
I would like simething like the Traxxas 1/16 Mini Summit Tires (witch are around 100mm).
Do you know where can I find any gear match that wont fry the motor/esc?

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QuadifyRC
2/10/2020 11:55:19 am

100mm is too big and would cook your motor and ESC fairly fast. Unfortunately there are no other gearing options with the stock motor. There are a couple if you go brushless but this of course requires a full conversion.

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Thiago Vasconcelos
2/10/2020 12:05:25 pm

Thanks for the reply!
I`ll probably upgrade later both, since the stock gear can't handle a brushless motor.
I was considering upgrading for the Remo 6973 wheels and tyres, but if I do upgrade I prefer go to larger tyres.
Do you have any larger (100mm+) tyres that you could test with your brushless setup?

QuadifyRC
2/10/2020 12:09:01 pm

I don't recommend any larger ones sorry because even if you can get better gearing it places too much stress on the rest of the gear. The P6973s are really good and I think a perfect size for this car.

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Donovan
11/11/2020 03:31:11 pm

Thank you for the article. I'm very new to RC and have ordered the WLTOYS 124018 buggie. I'm wanting to upgrade the wheels/tires to ones that are suited for medium length grass. Can you please recommend a tire like you did with the 144001. I'm not sure if they have the same wheel/tire specs, I do know the 124018 is bigger/longer. Again I only know very basic things about RC and upgrades. Please keep simple and best value budget friendly if possible :)

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C Dustin
2/5/2021 07:59:41 am

I believe that you're talking about an almost identical copy 9f the 144001 but with a longer wheel base.
As far as the medium length grass, I'm interested too. The tires on my ECX Ruckus do pretty well in the grass.

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QuadifyRC
4/5/2021 12:16:04 am

I'd stock with the P6973 mentioned here. Go much bigger and you'll put to much strain on the motor (especially in grass)

QuadifyRC
4/5/2021 12:15:06 am

Sorry I missed this comment. I'd recommend the same wheels in this article for the 124018, I've used them on mine and they look and perform great

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Moshe
7/1/2021 03:30:37 am

Thanks for the info.
About those sg 1602 wheels vs the original wheels, Do you feel that you lost speed during bashing?
did you gain other performance? what about the passableness? The SG1602 is much better off road medium-big rocks basher than the 144001 with the original wheels. If you put the Sg 1602 wheels on the 144001 do the passableness / bashing tough off road with rocks is getting better?

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Moshe
7/1/2021 04:21:13 am

by passableness I mean off road capabilities.

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QuadifyRC
7/1/2021 01:35:07 pm

No real change in speed (since the diameter is similar) but more capable offroad. The SG1602 wheels are ok but the P6973 are much better as I mentioned in the article.

BenLandel
14/1/2021 11:53:29 pm

I was about to order 2 sets as spares...but availability is now "stop selling" . Probably discontinued on Banggood and can't find them elsewhere... The search for the best affordable wheel is on again!

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QuadifyRC
15/1/2021 09:30:35 pm

Oh crap you're right, I've messaged my guy at Banggood to find out WTH is going on!!

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Jason
24/1/2021 05:49:11 pm

Hah I was about to do the same myself... They've been in my cart for weeks, but was just about to pull the trigger... Too late it seems!

Had a quick look on AliExpress and there appears to be some selling there still.

Jason
15/2/2021 08:07:38 pm

They're back up on Banggood now.

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Ka
23/1/2021 10:10:38 am

Hi David,

I've found 87mm wheels.
To use in medium grass.

Do you think it too big or not?

Thanks,
Ka

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David
23/1/2021 10:14:00 am

Hi Ka,

I have tried buggy tires that are 87mnm and they destroyed my diffs eventually. I would not recommend them. I have tried many tires on the 144001 and the Remos are by far the best all around tire for off road. I personally, would not go any larger than the Remos or you risk overheating something or going through diffs quickly. From my experience, the 144 is better suited for short grass and low grip surfaces such as dirt, gravel, etc.

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Ka
23/1/2021 10:24:08 am

Thanks for the advice David.

I'll look for the Remos them and avoid medium grass to preserve the diff and other parts.

I pretend to use them on the 124019, but I think that will make no difference.

And I'll keep reading your posts that really helpful.

Ka

QuadifyRC
28/1/2021 11:40:13 pm

Couldn't have said it better myself, thanks David

patrick
30/1/2021 03:00:54 am

Hello again.
My Remo 6793s have now arrived, Ive never fitted RC tyres before. Anything I need to know about swapping the stock ones out for these, on my 124019 ?
Thanks
Patrick.

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QuadifyRC
15/2/2021 09:01:13 am

Hi Patrick
Sorry I missed your message. It's super simple - Undo the wheel nuts with the tool that came with the car and remove the old wheels. Put the new ones on with the tread pointing in the same direction as my pictures and do the nut back up. Easy!

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Daniel
15/2/2021 04:39:40 am

Hi!

Just for the record I love your website, this is a gold mine!

I think I'm going to buy the 124019 model, and I think it will look a lot much better with the Remo wheels.

As the 144001 and the 124019 are quite identical, do you think the Remo wheel could fit it?

Thanks a lot!

Daniel

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QuadifyRC
15/2/2021 09:02:39 am

Thanks Daniel, glad to hear you've found it useful. Yes the Remo wheels fit great on the 124019 and 124018 as well. In fact the longer wheelbase means they suit these cars even better. Enjoy!

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Ross link
26/2/2021 02:51:41 am

Hi there, brilliant detailed info on this model - Thank you
Can you recommend some on road wheel / tyre set please ?

Thanks Ross

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Jordan
29/3/2021 05:15:00 pm

Thanks to your review I'm ordering the Remo 6973 ​from bangood. First time ordering from there. Thanks

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QuadifyRC
30/3/2021 09:17:35 am

My pleasure, have fun!

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Edmund
10/5/2021 05:23:51 pm

Hi there, I am wondering how the Remo 6973's would look on the Wltoys 124019, as I am looking to put some basher wheels on it but am very picky about the look.
Thanks for the review, it was great.

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QuadifyRC
16/6/2021 10:18:54 pm

Sorry for the late response. I think they look ok, not as streamlined as stock but more aggressive. So much better grip though

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Edmund
27/6/2021 12:52:01 pm

Thanks, just got them, the look sick!
A lot more aggressive and grippy!

Taylor
13/6/2021 06:15:32 pm

Just got my Remo tires and noticed their's no vent holes... would you suggest adding any?

Thanks

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QuadifyRC
16/6/2021 10:19:33 pm

I haven't needed to vent mine, I haven't found it necessary

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Scott
26/6/2021 01:10:04 am

another happy remo purchaser. i wasnt sure these would suit my relatively stock 144001, was worried that the slightly bigger diameter and width might be better for the longer wheelbase 124019. well, now that i've got them, it seems to me that those wheels were made for these cars. the extra size is subtle, especially the diameter. have only tested them out briefly, but so far so good. can definitely notice the extra grip, both on pavement and on grass. yet to try the new wheels at the track to see how it goes on dirt and over jumps.

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QuadifyRC
28/6/2021 12:23:12 pm

Awesome Scott, glad you like them! Makes it any easy choice for these cars because these are really good, cheap and durable then daylight between the next option

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Mike
18/7/2021 01:12:40 pm

Hi Quadifyrc,

Remo P6973 tyres have definately improved my 144001, thanks. They have noticeably more grip on grass, although admittedly the only recent comparison is with bald original tyres.
Surprisingly, there are no clearance issues with LC Racing alloy hubs. The tyres bolted straight on without problems.

There is one downside compared to the original wheels and tyres, however, and that is the wheels have much more runout, both radial and lateral. After upgrading to LC Racing hubs and bearings to reduce wobble etc, it is a shame to introduce runout with these tyres. The runout also makes setting wheel alignment more difficult, because I have to refit the original wheels to do it.

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QuadifyRC
26/7/2021 05:45:14 pm

Yes these wheels are my standout favourite. You could balance them if you are sensitive to that? I know Geoffrey needed to balance his EMB-MT wheels a lot before they were properly true.

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Mike
26/7/2021 07:56:53 pm

Balance is not the same as runout. Runout cannot be fixed by balancing. Runout is because the rims, and therefore the tyres with them, are not round and/or accurately centered. I dissmanlted one wheel assembly, and found that the runout appears to be caused by the casting of the main wheel spokes part.
It is what it is, unfortunately, but I am just giving others a heads-up to it.

David
10/12/2021 07:25:56 pm

Hey bro! New to the hobby and I just found ur page which is amazing, I think I will definitely buy some Remo 6973 but my question is, I read somewhere in your post that some metal parts (of the ones you recommend) doesn’t fit with these tires and while it’s not a problem English isn’t my first language so I just wanted to ask which one of the 5 metal parts that you recommend would you say are a good option for a new car (with the tips I already read from here about what to do before even using it) and remo tires, since I would love to reinforce the car without losing the flexibility going full metal (which I don’t plan on doing) thanks man!

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Antoine Magnier
22/1/2022 10:45:18 am

Are these reviews ok for eat14 to please ?

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Edmund
22/1/2022 11:36:30 am

Yes these wheels would work with the EAT14.

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Isaac
4/2/2022 10:42:17 am

You betcha! The EAt14 is just a rebranded Wltoys 144001 brushless, I'm willing to bet it was made in the Wltoys factory and designed by them. These slightly larger wheels will make the cogging every so slightly worse, keep that in mind, but much more grip! Don't bash the EAt14 especially with the Remos super hard, avoid moderate and long grass, as with the stock EAT14. They will bolt on just fine, unless somehow Wltoys changed the hex system with non of us noticing, which is almost impossible.

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Josh Datum
11/2/2022 12:24:05 pm

Hello! New to the hobby and I wish I would have found your page before I nodded my 144001. Only a few things to change. Thank you for providing so much useful info.
I really would like the remo wheels, but I don’t want to give up my metal knuckle. Is it possible or inadvisable to get a hub extension? Like 5-15mm just to get clearance. Will this mess everything up including the use of my sway bars?? Thank you again for all the help!

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QuadifyRC
29/7/2022 01:24:35 pm

There are newer metal knuckles now that allow the fitment of these wheels. Use my search bar and you'll find them

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Eitan
14/2/2022 09:30:12 am

Hi
I just put the remo tires on my 144001 but it is very wobbly. Even when the nut is tightened it is still wobbling
Please advise

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MIKE S
14/2/2022 09:45:59 pm

I have the same issue (see post 18/7/2021 01:12:40 PM, above). It is because of runout in the wheels. The manufacturing quality is not great.

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Kurt
20/7/2022 10:08:37 am

hi - great reviews and website!
I just ordered a 1440010, and am searching for wheels&tires specifically for on-road grip. Do you know of any you'd recommend? Thanks! Kurt

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QuadifyRC
29/7/2022 01:25:41 pm

None that I've tried that I can recommend sorry. I'm currently reviewing some offroad ones but these won't help you much. I like the look of the WR8 wheels for onroad but haven't tried myself

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Apollyon
30/7/2022 06:29:52 am

Hello, I'm new to RC cars and have a question regarding your below statement.

"If you went to say a 100mm diameter it would move the car 314mm forward. This is the equivalent of using a 37t pinion gear which would very quickly cook your ESC and motor."

I come from a place of racing street cars and I understand that changing your wheel/tire size has a large impact on your car in a lot of ways, but not that it would necessarily burn your engine out.

Your statement makes is sound like the RC car is going to try to run beyond it's max RPM and essentially over rev and burn out. But I would assume that an electric motor has a max RPM and it's going to run at that max RPM regardless of what size wheel you use. I'm guessing i'm wrong about something here?

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QuadifyRC
1/8/2022 10:18:34 am

Hi there

The problem is not going beyond the max rpm, that's more of an internal combustion engine problem than an electric motor problem. The issue is that additional torque load on the motors which requires more current. This extra current stresses the motor and ESC. Depending on the surface this could well push it beyond it's failing point.

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Apollyon
2/8/2022 10:53:59 am

Ah, ok. That makes sense.

After considering it further and doing some more research I found the gist of it was to consider your wheels like leavers. In this case the car is turned for a leaver of X size. if you put a larger leaver on, meaning a larger wheel. It takes more effort for the motor to move the weight at the other end of the leaver.

Thanks for the response and also all of the guides which are really awesome!

Isaac
1/11/2022 03:45:27 pm

I've been eying these wheels for months now, and the stock tires on my brushless-converted 144001 are quite worn now, nearing slicks! 😬

Ordered 2 pairs of the P6973s about two weeks ago off Ebay, they arrived a few days ago, I'm installing them right now as I type! So far, initial impressions are good, rubber feels good and good quality, same with the rims. I've checked all 4 tires, inside and outside sidewall, they are all completely and properly glued, good QC!

These wheels look sick, can't wait to take my 144001 for a spin once the rain lets off and the road dries slightly.

I'm nursing this slight hope in the back of my mind that my 144001 will finally be able to wheelie or at fully unload the front suspension, it should under ideal conditions. Not expecting epic 100+ foot wheelies down the road, but maybe a little wheel lifting actions.

Thanks for the great article Quad (I've read it multiple times over the months), thanks so much for the wheel recommendation, others and I likely wouldn't have known about this great wheel had you not posted this article! I'll report back in about a week with my initial thoughts/driving experience!

Cheers,

Isaac

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QuadifyRC
28/11/2022 11:16:11 am

Hey Isaac. Great, they are awesome wheels and tyres. The 144001 is not really a wheelie machine because the centre of gravity is low which is why it handles well. If you want more wheelies then this will help as well winding the spring collars down on the shocks. Hope the weather dries out for some good runs!

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Isaac
29/11/2022 02:22:22 pm

Yes, I love these wheels! I've been eyeballing these Remos for so long, and they do live up to the hype! Unfortunately, I've only gotten probably 2 full battery packs through them so far 🙄 counting on a lot more runs.

The quality is there, but there is one thing I don't understand; the Remos have a two-piece rim that bolts together using 5 hex bolts (maybe 1.5mm or 2mm, for the record, I didn't measure though). Why is this design this way? I've tried to think of a beneficial use to this rim design, but I can't come up with any answers. The weight and durability should only be very marginally effected by this, but these aren't beadlocks rims...it won't help with servicing, as to unscrew the two rim halves, you'd need to un-mount the tire, at which point, why would you need to take the rim apart? Just food for thought, I guess :/

Anyways, I'm still impressed that the Remos hook-up-and-go with enough grip to wheelie a little bit. I'm *not* looking at making my 144001 a wheelie machine, as much as I like this new party trick, I still appreciate how the low CG, as you said, and buggy design/handling keep the front end planted (for the most part, hard acceleration not included) for better handling and performance.

I've seen those vids of those crazy 2wd bushless rigs that just wheelie all day long, the front tires almost never hit the ground 😂 RIP steering and handling!

I have the LC-Racing 1.2mm springs in the rear, as the stock springs were getting beaten and softened, and the rear squat, especially under acceleration, with the stock 550 motor was bad...jumping would result in some good ol' chassis slap too. Ever since I converted to brushless, coupled with those stiffer springs, I haven't had any issues. I have my spring collars wound down only about a little bit less then halfway, so my ride height is good, and I'll still have decent traction/handling.

I would totally jack up my 144001 and move the rear shock A-arm mounts to the inner holes for more travel, but I like my dogbones/diff outdrive cups, when you jack it up it'lll wear those parts out lickity-spilt, the car just ain't made for that. Handling and traction roll goes out the window as well.




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