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144001, 124019, 124018 1822 Wheel Upgrade - The new Offroad champ; some compromises

27/9/2021

23 Comments

 
The 1/14 and 1/12 scale WL toys cars (144001, 124018, 124019) are rightly very popular cars due to their competitive price for a platform that is extremely versatile and lends itself well to upgrade - I have over 30 articles here that prove it. Although on road wheel options are easily accessible, this is less the case with off road options other than the Remo P6973 (reviewed here) which have been the gold standard. I've now found a wheel and tyre set I find to be even better offroad so long as specific conditions are met: ​4PCS Upgraded Larger Tires Wheels 12mm Hex for Wltoys 144001 124018 124019 RC Car Vehicles Model Parts - 1822G-A. Read on to find more about their good, and bad points to see if they are right for you.
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Wheel Style. These new wheels/tyres which I will refer to from here as the 1822 have options for either solid disc or spoked wheels in black, white and neon green. They come in a set of 4 with a set of foam inners and of course the tyres. Tyres come in one of two pattern styles, one I would call a paddle  style and the other a knobbly style.
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5 spoke white rims
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5 spoke green rims
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Black disc rims
Tyre patterns. Both paddle and knobbly tyres are a very soft rubber compound; much softer than even the Remo P6973 tyres I mentioned above which I would class as medium (stock tyres are hard). They have a relatively tall sidewall and sitting still they are 40mm wide and 82ish mm in diameter
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Knobbly tyres
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Paddle tyres
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82ish mm diameter stationary
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40mm wide
Additional hardware. As you can see they do also come with some hardware - drive pins, m3 washers and nylock nuts plus tabbed body pins - random but actually hand things to have in your spares.
Glue the tyres. Disappointingly the tyres are not glued so you will most definitely need to do this. You will not be able to drive at all without gluing these. Lucky you then that I have created a simply tyre gluing video for you using the cheap super glue you can buy practically anywhere:
Larger diameter. From a size standpoint, these are about as big as you want to go on these cars before you start stressing the drive train. They do of course offer some great ground clearance as you can see below. Bear in mind that at this diameter is roughly 10% greater that the stock wheels which makes you gearing 10% taller - faster but hotter running so keep an eye on temps to be safe. I think these look fantastic on the 124018 especially as you can see below.
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Ground clearance is taller especially on the 124018 and allows you to clear a little more now
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I think this style of wheel really improves the look on the 124018 especially
I would tend to steer towards the disc style wheels are as seen above as they tend to be stronger. With that said I have yet to break one of the spoked wheel set but in general the extra material only helps with strength, especially for an off-road basher.
Why are they so good offroad?
As I mentioned earlier, the Remo P6973 wheels have been the gold standard bashing wheel for these cars - they are durable, have good grip off road, are predictable on road and are even decent in the wet. You can see a comparison between these two sets in the image here with the Remo p6973 on the left dwarfed by the 1822 on the right.
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I was very surprised then to find how much more I enjoyed these 1822 wheels and tyres offroad based on factors that I hadn't even considered before. I thought that the very soft compound and taller sidewalls would equate to much sloppier cornering but what surprised me was their ability to soak up bumps. Usually we think of our suspension as soaking up the bumps but it is actually the tyres that do this job first. For a tyre with a low profile (even when it is relatively soft like the Remo p6973) they have little ability to soak up bumps and transmit these to the shocks instead. In bumpy conditions these can get overwhelmed and the car bounces around, making it very hard to control. However, with the 1822 tyres reviewed here, they act like a balloon, absorbing a lot of the shock themselves and so rely on the shock absorbers for only really big bumps. Result? They car feels like it glides over the surface rather than bouncing around all over the place and so is a lot more controllable. Check out the video further down compared to a car with the standard wheels
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Remo P6973 and 1822 hubs are the same diameter...
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But a big difference in outside diameter - 1822 sidewalls are 26% taller than the P6973 and much softer
I should of course mention grip - it is outstanding. Grip on loose surfaces is a level above anything I've tried. On grass it tends to float on top rather than plow through it like the the buggy and to a lesser extent p6973 wheels. There is enough traction to make it lift the front wheels on occasion, something I wasn't expecting in this long wheelbase car. I haven't found much difference between paddle and knobbly tyres but would expect the paddlers would be better on very loose, sandy surfaces.
124018 with the 1822 wheels and tyres
144001 (similar car) with remo P6972 wheels and tyres. See how much more bouncy it is
What about the downsides?
  • I wouldn't even consider these 1822 tyres on road. Tread will wear quickly but before then they traction roll a lot and feel imprecise. Just not suitable for this application. Update: they are actually not as bad as I made out for tarmac and concrete.
  • Although the larger diameter is great for ground clearance, it does put more strain on your power system. As I said you could get away with it on the stock setup but you would need to keep an eye on ESC and motor temps. For custom brushless setups I'd keep the KV low with a 15t pinion. I have been running this with my drop in brushless upgrade as per the video above and it is a joy to drive.
  • These tyres will balloon a lot with speed. I wouldn't run this on a car much over 60km/h but to be honest, I wouldn't want a car faster than that for off road bashing as it would handle poorly and overheat anyway.
  • The gluing - not a big deal especially with my helpful video above 😁😁 but worth thinking about
So there you have it, my completed review of the 1822 wheel and tyre set. It's annoying they aren't glued as supplied but not a big deal because it takes less than $1 worth of glue and about 10 minutes to glue them all. Grip is excellent off road but I would avoid using these on road at all. You'll also need to be sure you don't try and over power your car with these wheels on but if you can manage with these constraints you'll be rewarded with wonderful grip and an ability to drive over bumpier surfaces with much more control.
Parts used in the article
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1822 wheel and tyre set (4) reviewed here available at Banggood only
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Remo P6973 wheel and tyre set (4) are reviewed here in more depth and available at Banggood
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​The WL Toys 124018 desert buggy is reviewed here and available at Banggood
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The 3600kv drop in brushless upgrade is covered in detail here.
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23 Comments
Nocs
28/9/2021 07:17:29 pm

Thanks Quadify !!
You are always looking for the best to suit our cars. I have already mounted the 2845 3600kv as your easy no cut option. The 10bl120 fits perfectly. I have mounted the emb-mt tires on It, like on the 144001 transformación. Are these new set of tires worth It having theese? I bougth the Orange rimmed ones too but ill consider buying this if you think theyre worth It. My Dumbo rcx6 with gyro arriving today. Ill try the setup as soon as i mount It. Thanks in advance.!!

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QuadifyRC
28/9/2021 09:55:09 pm

Nice setup! Yes these would go very nicely with that gear indeed but strictly for off road.

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Rcfreak
28/9/2021 11:48:20 pm

I run mostly on road for which the anti roll bars are just incredible and will prolong the life and lessen the damage to your car.

But occasionally I go down the park on grass and these cars have tended to struggle a bit in the unkempt grass. Hoping these wheels help, will definitely try them.

Thanks again quad.


Btw I saw Tomley do a review of the EAT14 and the pinion spur are the same as stock.
Does that mean I could run a low KV 2845 with the stock spur and this fix having to bore pinions or motor mounts?

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Nocs
29/9/2021 12:47:10 am

You Will need to modify the motor mount to be able to put the standard pinion on a 2845 motor. It is much Closer to the spur than the stock 550 motor, so It wont fit without modifications. Perfect fit with the 15t pinion.

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QuadifyRC
29/9/2021 02:10:48 pm

NOCS is dead right, the EAT14 etc comes with a new mount that allows the standard 27t pinion on the 2845 motor - lame!! There are no other pre-drilled options here on that mount.

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Rcfreak
29/9/2021 09:06:08 pm

Hmmmm

At least that means we might be able to buy the new eat14 mount and then it works. Interesting! Thanks.

Nocs
29/9/2021 10:58:24 pm

Will be able to use the Eat's motor mount, but the reviews say that the cogging is there. Everyone on YouTube mentions how coggy It is in the startup, so ill keep my 15t pinion on and run a safer setup. Forget about bigger tires or running It on grass. Much more stress i think.

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RCFREAK
30/9/2021 06:39:47 am

Yes i saw the cogging issue on some reviews.

Well damn this ruins my plans a little but nevermind. I wanted to get around having to slot or bore anything when using the 2838/50 motors.

Thanks for the info!

Lou
5/12/2022 11:47:27 pm

In cogging with that setup, wouldn't you correct that ez pz with a sensored ESC and adjusting g the advance timing / punch?

Valentin Stoinov
29/9/2021 02:58:12 am

What is the battery runtime with your current setup? (i guess this video is not stock setup?)

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QuadifyRC
29/9/2021 02:05:49 pm

Hi Valentin with this setup I get 10-15 minutes of hard driving. If this were stock I'd get about 5

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Isaac
29/9/2021 10:20:43 am

Great article Quadify, I eagerly await new posts, I check every day (sometimes 2 when I'm impatient!) new tires are always worth a look! For the first impressions, I'm very impressed with these tires, but nothing is perfect, and when reading on further, I found out these tires are pretty dang tall, and they are very soft, which is good for offroad but not on road.

I REALLY like how these tires come with random drive parts, like drivepins (easy to lose when changing tires), shims (anyone like wheel play/wobble?), body pins (easy to lose if you don't have a tether system- like on Arrma car- like what I made), ect.

I was glad that I haven't bought the Remos yet, but I'll probably get the Remos now, because while I like off roading the most, I don't have great places to drive super near me, so I like to run up and down the street with my ramps in front of our house. The 1822s probably will wear out with that driving before the Remos.

I'm hoping that BG will come out with a similar tire, same good price, tread, spare parts, but in a slightly harder compound (or harder foam), and preferably pre-glued. I can't believe I'm asking for harder tires...lol!

BTW Quadify, please also compare the new 124016/7 tires when those cars come out, they look gnarly! Hopefully they are as soft as the Remos.

Another thing, the Remos can be taken apart, with screws (no glue removing needed) for servicing or something, which is nice. I've rambled enough, thanks again!

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QuadifyRC
29/9/2021 02:08:30 pm

Hey Isaac, thanks for the feedback. Yeah if you don't like changing tyres for different surfaces then the Remos are definitely the best all-round option. The new tyres on the 124017 and eat4 etc are really good grip-wise but do seem to wear quickly on tarmac and are still a little bouncy off-road. Great for track driving.

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Isaac
30/9/2021 06:09:00 am

Ok, thanks. Phew, I was worried you'd say these tires were the end-all-be-all! I hate the idea of buying an "inferior" product, so that helped to change my mind more. You already have the 124017? I assume if you do that, with your style, you'll get the review out before anyone else! Seems that, like you said, the Remos will still be the best all-rounders for size, durability, grip, reliability, ect.

I like how Remos are only a few mm bigger than the stock tires, which means no gearing changes needed, and less stress on the whole drive train (albeit with slightly less ground clearance than the 1822s). I do wish the Remos came with those parts though, they really are useful!

Michael
30/9/2021 09:27:30 pm

Looks like fine substitute for 104001 oem wheels.

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QuadifyRC
1/10/2021 11:54:58 pm

Actually I need to try them on the 104001. I have a feeling the car will be a bit heavy for these.

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Ben
16/12/2021 06:54:23 pm

I ordered a set of these 1822s to run on my Flyhal FC600, and was disappointed to find one wheel cracked after the first run. There are numerous stress fractures radiating out from the hub. Not sure why it failed so quickly. I don't think the wheel nut was overtightened, and I did not run it hard.

Has anyone had luck repairing cracked wheels with glue or epoxy?

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Iain Langley
31/1/2022 10:03:11 am

Hi,

Great review as always.
Would these work on the HBX 16889a Pro?

Thanks
Langers

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QuadifyRC
29/7/2022 01:36:06 pm

Yes they do, they are a bit narrow though so it's a little tippy

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Ian
26/7/2022 06:03:15 am

Hi. I've been running the 1822 tyres and really like them however the plastic rims do get damaged quite easily.

Has anyone tried the 1819 which appear to be metal rim versions of the same tyres on Banggood? How do they stand up to bashing on a 144001 or 124019?

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QuadifyRC
29/7/2022 01:37:34 pm

I can't find the metal wheels sorry. Generally speaking metal wheels are for show and cheap aluminium dents. If you have spare WLToys rims try them on there - they are tough.

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Ian
26/7/2022 05:35:11 pm

Hi. I've been running the 1822 tyres and really like them however the plastic rims do get damaged quite easily.

Has anyone tried the 1819 which appear to be metal rim versions of the same tyres on Banggood? How do they stand up to bashing on a 144001 or 124019?

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QuadifyRC
13/12/2022 05:26:53 pm

Have you tried the solid disc rims? I find these strongest. I have no experience with the aluminium ones but would expect these to be less durable with the grade of aluminium they use.

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